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 Post subject: Re: Cheating the paradiddle?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:51 pm 
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Well back in my day...

There were 13 essential rudiments, not 40...

And a Paradiddle was four SINGLE strokes, and I missed getting an A+ on my snare drum solo at All State because I BOUNCED my paradiddles. (I wish I still had the judging sheet)

I should have been born 20 years later, after the standards deteriorated to this SAD state of affairs.

But with that being said... I defer to the master... It is as Kyle says it is... I've been pwned

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 Post subject: Re: Cheating the paradiddle?
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lol, you guys are from PAS...zen and I are from NARD.

venus, mars... :oops:

For the record, I have never played a snare solo for all-state...at that point in time, area was the last rank you had to play mallets and snare to move on. I just played tymps when I went to all-state.

Was a fun time to freak people out with perfect pitch...and that's not the only time that I've gotten some funny looks for sauntering up to a set of tympani and getting to work. Apparently one of my college TA's remembers me to this day for coming into lessons and tuning the tympani with no external aids.

Makes it a lot easier when you have songs with multiple pitch changes or :gasp: pitch bends.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheating the paradiddle?
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lol, you guys are from PAS...zen and I are from NARD.

venus, mars... :oops:

Dude, I have a book of NARD solos. And for those who don't know, it is the National Association of Rudimental Drummers, which included such greats as George Lawrence Stone (yep, THAT Stone), William F. Ludwig, and Mitch Markovitch.

Look 'em up.

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 Post subject: Re: Cheating the paradiddle?
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Wow. Im actually learning a ton of this one thread. I was questioning whether this was post worthy or not. I had no idea Rudiments went through this many changes.

When I started playing in school band I was brought up on the 40 rudiments. We didn't practice most of them because it seems like with the exception of the main five (Single, Double, Flam, Ruff, Paradiddle) that all of the other rudiments are combinations of those five. Correct me if I'm wrong on that Homki.

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I'd take it one step further. They're all combinations of singles, doubles, flams, and drags/ruffs.

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Zen_Drummer wrote:
I feel old :|

Everything I learned is ancient and wrong....

Not at all Mike!
Alan_ wrote:
I'd take it one step further. They're all combinations of singles, doubles, flams, and drags/ruffs.

And I will take it even further. There are only 4 "true" rudiments. Single-Stroke roll, Double-Stroke Roll, Buzz Roll, and Flam (even though Flam can be described as a very quick single stroke roll). Also, Triple-Stroke Roll can be a possible "true" rudiment, but it's really just an extended Double-Stroke.

So blast, you are right, there are only 3-4 "true" rudiments. But all of those variations come from playing application and usage. Believe me, if there wasn't a place for all 40 of those rudiments, P.A.S. would never have made them standard.

What are not standard are called "hybrids" which are solely from Drum Corps culture, and are nothing to bat an eyelash from. They begin at the hard difficulty and only get worse. So, go check em out!

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I hereby declare rudiments are useless in the selling of T-Shirts, so ALL discussion of them must immediately cease.

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Hey now, padnuh, I ain't in tha business of sellin' no gol-danged T-SHIRTS.

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I hereby declare rudiments are useless in the selling of T-Shirts, so ALL discussion of them must immediately cease.

I'll trade ya a flamacue for an large long sleeve.

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Alan_ wrote:
I'd take it one step further. They're all combinations of singles, doubles, flams, and drags/ruffs.


aren't drags and ruffs pretty much the same thing except drags you play an open stroke double and ruff you play a buzz roll double?

and ill take a short sleeve for a flamadiddile-diddle

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A ruff can also be just three strokes. I generally buzz em.

and yeah, what homki said on the identity of the four basic rudiments.

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Back to the original question about "cheating a paradiddle" . . .

In the Buddy Rich Rudiment Book, it says that a paradiddle "combines two single strokes with one double stroke." There is not mention of bounce, or rebound, or individual wrist movement, just the term "double stroke". This was published in 1942, in the NAR days, and written by Buddy and his teacher, Henry Adler.

Not sure if that clarifies anything, but I put it out there for you to decipher!

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And Tom, it does. Since that book was written in NARD heyday, and Buddy Rich was a rudimental guy, I'll trust that book to be true. Paradiddles are a combination of a single stroke roll and a double stroke roll. I'll stick to it like glue.

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And Tom, it does. Since that book was written in NARD heyday, and Buddy Rich was a rudimental guy, I'll trust that book to be true. Paradiddles are a combination of a single stroke roll and a double stroke roll. I'll stick to it like glue.


Yes, this has always been by contention. I had never heard anyone say any different until this thread.

I wonder if the difference comes from an orchestral vrs marching snare drum debate?

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yet playing a slow paradiddle is done with no bounce...

The question here is does double stroke mean "bounce"?

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And Tom, it does. Since that book was written in NARD heyday, and Buddy Rich was a rudimental guy, I'll trust that book to be true. Paradiddles are a combination of a single stroke roll and a double stroke roll. I'll stick to it like glue.


Yes, this has always been by contention. I had never heard anyone say any different until this thread.

I wonder if the difference comes from an orchestral vrs marching snare drum debate?

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That could very well be true. I will ask my father for some more insight into this. He's played in numerous orchestras, and teaches percussion at a local university, Carson-Newman College.

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Zen_Drummer wrote:
yet playing a slow paradiddle is done with no bounce...

The question here is does double stroke mean "bounce"?

My inclination is that you are right Mike. As with what I told Tom, I will do some research and post my findings about where the fine line between what is double-stroke and what is bounce.

Alright, my first big research project since college! I'm excited!

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